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And what are some of the more prominent beefs that people might know about or should know about?
人们可能知道或应该知道的一些比较著名的争斗是哪一场？
I mean, the one that comes to mind is Tupac and Biggie, and maybe people just know about that because later on, both of those rappers ended up getting killed.
我的意思是，脑海中浮现的是图帕克和比吉，也许人们只是知道这一点，因为后来，这两个说唱歌手都被杀了。
But, you know, we can't attribute that to the beef, but I think their deaths just put attention on this, like, East Coast-West Coast rivalry.
但是，你知道，我们不能将这归因于说唱争斗，但我认为他们的死亡只是让人们关注东海岸和西海岸的竞争。
Are there any others that you would say are notable?
你认为还有其他值得注意的吗？
Yeah, I think one of the biggest ones that comes to my mind is Jay-Z and Nas.
是的，我认为我脑海中浮现的最大的一个是Jay-Z和纳斯。
Like I was saying before how Jay-Z will kind of needle you in a rap beef, where, like, he'll just say little lines here and there over a course of however many albums.
就像我之前说过的，Jay-Z 会在说唱比赛中针锋相对，在很多张专辑中，他都会在这里说几句，在那里说几句。
And just like the one that we were just discussing, Jay-Z and Nas said some pretty terrible things about one another to the point where, like, they couldn't be sat next to each other at award shows.
与我们刚刚讨论的那个一样，Jay-Z和纳斯说了一些关于对方的非常糟糕的事情，以至于在颁奖典礼上他们不能坐在一起。
There was a lot of tension.
当时气氛非常紧张。
Even now, there's a theory that whenever Nas does something, Jay has to come out with, like, a freestyle just to kind of take some of the attention off of him.
即使是现在，也有一种理论认为，只要纳斯做了什么，Jay就必须来一段自由发挥来转移他的注意力。
Yeah.
嗯。
And it also seems like in some beefs, it's not so much that these two people actually hate each other, but it's this sort of, you know, again, going back to the boxing metaphor, it's kind of like that, too, right?
而且，在一些争斗中，似乎并不是因为这两个人真的讨厌对方，而是这种，你知道，再次回到拳击的隐喻，它也有点像，对吗？
And I think that's what makes the Kendrick one stand out so much because throughout that beef, he really articulates, "I don't like you."
我认为这就是为什么肯德里克一如此脱颖而出，因为在整个争斗过程中，他真的清楚地表达了，“我不喜欢你。”
Like, he literally says that?
就像，他直接这么说的？
He literally says, "I hate you" for like 16 bars.
他字面上说的“我恨你”大概有16个小节。
He's like, "This is personal."
他说，“这是私人恩怨。”
Whereas, a lot of other beefs, they might not be as personal.
然而，其他很多争斗可能不是那么私人化的。
They might just be that competitive spirit.
他们可能就是拥有这种竞争精神。
Like, I remember 50 Cent and Kanye went at it for a while.
就像，我记得50美分和侃爷有一段时间争斗过。
And that wasn't as personal, not nearly as personal as this one is.
而且那不是那么私人化，不像这个那么私人化。
So how has this rap beef differed from ones that we've seen before, you know, beyond just the personal nature and the, like, clear disdain these two people have for each other in a way that feels unlike the other ones?
那么，除了个人性质和这两个人对彼此明显的蔑视之外，这次的说唱争吵与我们之前看到的那些争吵有什么不同？
Yeah, I think the big -- the thing that immediately comes to mind is scale.
是的，我认为最重要的--首先浮现在脑海中的是规模。
Jay-Z and Nas is kind of like my reference for, like, a big, older beef, and they put out two songs in a year.
Jay-Z和纳斯有点像一个参照物，就像是一块又大又老的牛肉，他们在一年里推出了两首歌。
And for this one, they put out nine songs in like less than a month, I think.
而这次，他们在不到一个月的时间里推出了九首歌，我想。
And it's incomparable.
这是无与伦比的。
And these songs are longer.
这些歌更长一些。
There's more depth to them.
它们有更多的深度。
They're coming out faster.
他们出来的速度更快了。
They're better produced, they're better mixed.
它们制作得更好，混合得更好。
So just like the ease of technology to make music and then distribute it has made this beef unlike any other.
因此，就像技术在制作音乐和传播音乐方面的便捷性一样，这一点也不同于其他任何一种情况。
So one of the big debates, obviously is who is the most influential artist?
因此，最大的争论之一显然是谁是最有影响力的艺术家？
What is your take on that?
你对此有何看法？
And, you know, the other obvious question is who is winning?
而且，你知道，另一个显而易见的问题是谁赢了？
Yeah, I think overall, it's really hard to say who the most influential artist is.
是的，我认为总的来说，很难说谁是最有影响力的艺术家。
I think if we're talking about the pop space and at the pop-rap space, Drake is definitely.
我认为，如果我们谈论的是流行领域和流行说唱领域，德雷克肯定是。
Like, he's been around since 2009.
就像，他从2009年就是了。
And if you look at the Billboard Top 100 charts, Drake has the most hit songs out of any artist in the charts' 60-year history.
如果你看看公告牌百强排行榜，德雷克的热门歌曲是该排行榜60年历史上所有歌手中最多的。
Wow.
哇。
That's undeniable.
这是不可否认的。
Right.
正确的。
But if you're speaking to purists, Kendrick Lamar has been, you know, far and away the more influential rapper.
但如果你和纯粹主义者交谈，你知道，肯德里克·拉马尔一直是更有影响力的说唱歌手。
So I think it really depends on what you're looking at, which makes this such a good matchup stylistically.
所以我认为这真的取决于你看的是什么，这使得这场比赛在风格上是如此的好。
Right?
对吗？
Like, you have the top pop rapper, and you have the top rappers' rapper clashing to see which one would come out on top.
就像，你有顶级流行说唱歌手，你也有顶级说唱歌手中的说唱歌手。这两位互相竞争，看谁会脱颖而出。
