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多年来，我们一直在质疑一个问题：那就是在使用强制手段进行审讯的时候，道德和法律的界限在哪里？针对这一问题，芝加哥大学法学院邀请了来自各个领域的学者进行了探讨。
n. 禁欲主义，坚忍克己 Stoicism n. 斯多葛
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- I'm going to skip a part about the depersonalisation some um find as a kind of protection
- 我要跳过人格丧失这部分有些人认为这是种保护
- and how stoicism might um allow for a reading of that sort by minimising the role of the body in self.
- 禁欲主义可能会提到一篇这类的文章把自我的身体角色降至最小
- There's no bodily ego for stoic that's a Freudian term, and I,
- 对于禁欲主义者来说，用弗洛伊德的术语来说没有身体自我
- I want to um just bring it back as I close
- 我想在结束时，再回顾一下
- I guess I have about 3 minutes or so, um, to um, to, to um let me see how best I can wrap up,
- 我可能还有3分钟让我看看我能不能尽快说完
- I'm sorry. I, I'll bring it back to Guantanamo. I'll end there.
- 不好意思，我要说一下关塔那摩然后就结束演讲
- Timerman has a wonderful remark about feeling, the feeling of self betrayal and self collusion
- 蒂莫蔓有段非常精彩的描述描述自我背叛和自我同谋的情感
- but I think it comes back in something in Guantanamo.
- 但是我觉得蒂莫蔓所描述
- Um, so Timerman in is in mind when I'm thinking of something that came up in Guantanamo and
- 和关塔那摩发生的事情很类似当我想到发生在关塔那摩的事情
- that is that he has this picture of a man in prison in Argentine who is circumcised.
- 蒂莫蔓有张照片，上面是个被割去包皮的阿根廷的囚犯
- He's Jewish and he feels all eyes upon him
- 他是个犹太人，总是感觉所有眼睛都注视他
- and his clipped prick is a source of terrible degradation, self degradation
- 他被割去包皮的身体是自我退化，自我堕落感觉的来源
- but it oughtn't to be, but he's reflecting the er gaze of the torturer and of the interrogator
- 不应该是这样，他在反射折磨者或者是审讯者的注视
- and he, the self contempt is absorbing or internalising that gaze, of playing along, of colluding in a sense
- 他自我轻视的感觉也在吸收或者内化这种注视，任其摆布自我勾结，
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