People who've done that have another angle on, er,

whether technology is bad or good.

They think that technology that pushes them around is bad

and technology that they can push in their own direction they think is good.

While he was still at school,

Jobs worked at one of the big computer companies near his home in Silicon Valley.

And he made a friend who would shape his destiny.

We talked about electronics. I said, "I design computers.

"I can, you know, do any of them." He had worked at Hewlett Packard

and built himself what's called a frequency counter.

So we hit it off.

Despite his hippy outlook, Jobs had a ruthless streak.

He was asked by the fledgling computer company Atari

to design a new Breakout game.

Jobs asked Wozniak to do it in just four days,

telling his friend they would share the fee.

He presented it like we were splitting the money 50/50,

but actually, it was, you know, probably a different story.

Wozniak worked round the clock to deliver the goods

but later discovered Jobs had paid him considerably less

than half the sum he had received from Atari.

You didn't think, "I can't trust this guy"?

or "He's a bit too sharp for me"?

Steve could have just said,

I need money to buy into this commune up in Oregon.

Have you never harboured any bitterness that he might have?

I don't harbour bitterness.

Even if somebody just did that right to my face, I would not harbour bitterness.

But I would acknowledge the truth. Um, I did cry.

I cried, you know, quite a bit, actually, when I read it in a book.

The seed of Apple were sow when Wozniak introduced Jobs

to a subterranean world of DIY technology enthusiasts.