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It is worth noting that a lot of these people -- I mean, not only are they rich people in Russia who are supporters of the Kremlin, but a lot of them go back with Putin for decades. [qh]
值得注意的是，这些人中的很多人——我的意思是，他们不仅是俄罗斯的富人，是克里姆林宫的支持者，而且他们中的很多人在普京身边待了几十年。 [qh]
Igor Sechin, one of the people on the E.U. sanction list who, I imagine -- I don't have any information about this, but I imagine will likely be looked at by the U.S.[qh]
伊戈尔·谢钦，他是欧盟制裁名单上的人之一，我想——我没有这方面的任何信息，但我想他可能会受到美国的调查。[qh]
His connections with Putin date to the 1990s. [qh]
他与普京的关系可以追溯到20世纪90年代。 [qh]
He was the deputy head of Putin's administration for a number of years, and they're friends. [qh]
他曾担任普京政府的副首脑多年，他们是朋友。 [qh]
So, you know, those kinds of connections are what the U.S. is going to be trying to be targeting. [qh]
所以，你知道，这种联系正是美国想要瞄准的目标。 [qh]
Some of the billionaires have already come out and said, "We're against the war. Please don't sanction us."[qh]
一些亿万富翁已经站出来说:“我们反对战争。 请不要制裁我们。” [qh]
The U.S. has often ignored those comments, but it really is anyone's guess the extent to which this will shift policy in the Kremlin.[qh]
美国通常对这些言论不予理睬，但这将在多大程度上改变克里姆林宫的政策，谁也说不准。 [qh]
Has something like this been done before, leveraging sanctions against a specific individual? [qh]
这样的事情以前做过吗-对特定的个人施加制裁? [qh]
And when these things happen, do the people sanctioning get the results they want?[qh]
当这些事情发生时，实施制裁的人得到他们想要的结果了吗? [qh]
You know, one of the sanctions experts I spoke to, Adam Smith, who was a former Obama administration official, made the point to me that sometimes the sanctions have the opposite of the intended effect, right? [qh]
你知道，我采访过的一位制裁专家，亚当·斯密，他曾是奥巴马政府的一名官员，他向我指出，有时制裁会产生与预期效果相反的效果，对吧? [qh]
You think that what you're doing is deterring these oligarchs from supporting Putin, [qh]
你认为你所做的是防止这些寡头支持普京,[qh]
but in some ways, if they make the U.S. seem like the bad guy, [qh]
但在某些方面，如果他们让美国看起来像个坏蛋，[qh]
they could actually drive potential sources of defection into Putin's arms by giving them a reason to hate the U.S., sort of feeling the U.S. and its allies are treating them unfairly. [qh]
它们实际上可能会推动这些寡头倒戈进入普京的怀抱，给他们一个憎恨美国的理由，让他们感觉美国及其盟友对他们不公平。[qh]
You know, we will have to see. [qh]
你知道，我们得等着瞧。 [qh]
I mean, there are a lot of humanitarian sanctions that have had devastating impacts in other countries in different periods of time, [qh]
我的意思是，有很多人道主义制裁在不同的时期对其他国家产生了毁灭性的影响，[qh]
and there are legitimate questions about the extent to which the U.S. sanctions on Russia will do that. [qh]
美国对俄罗斯的制裁会在多大程度上达到这一目的，这是合理的问题。[qh]
We've seen reports of, you know, in the '90s, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of civilians were killed by the U.S. sanctions of Saddam Hussein before the invasion. [qh]
我们已经看到报道，在90年代，美国入侵前对萨达姆·侯赛因实施制裁，导致数万甚至数十万平民死亡。 [qh]
We're seeing an extremely dangerous situation in Afghanistan, where sanctions have been leading to a likely humanitarian crisis. [qh]
我们看到阿富汗的局势非常危险，制裁可能导致人道主义危机。 [qh]
The sanctions on the oligarchs and the freezing of their overseas assets does appear to be a different category. [qh]
对寡头的制裁和冻结他们的海外资产似乎是另一种类型的制裁。 [qh]
It's going after these rich guys with tons of assets, tons of liquidity, even in Russia, that they will be okay. [qh]
制裁是针对这些富人，他们拥有大量资产，大量流动资产，即使在俄罗斯，他们也会没事的。 [qh]
And so the humanitarian costs of these particular sanctions may be not so great, but the overall U.S. strategy to cripple the Russian economy, you know, could do a lot of damage on a lot of innocent people. [qh]
因此，这些制裁的人道主义代价可能不是很大，但美国削弱俄罗斯经济的整体战略，可能会对很多无辜的人造成很大的伤害。 [qh]
Obviously, the need to do so, based on the invasion of Ukraine and the need to strike back at Russia, may overpower that. [qh]
显然，基于入侵乌克兰和反击俄罗斯的需要，这样做的必要性可能会胜过这一点。[qh]
